Talk:Institutional Revolutionary Party
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<<Heavily criticized for using the arrangement of the mexican flag colors for its logo (something normal in countries like the United States, but frowned upon in Mexico) >>
The reason for this criticism was quite valid.
Many Mexican voters in rural communities were (and are) functionally illiterate and relied on the logo's colors to identify the party. The use of the Mexican flag colors was initially reserved for the PRI (The PAN was allotted a blue and white logo, and the leftist PRD a yellow and black logo).
This gave many voters the impression that the PRI was effectively the party of the state (a fairly true impression until around 1997), and the opposition parties were against the state and perhaps dangerous to the established order. This, coupled with the very real fear that a community that voted against the PRI would suffer losses of funding and state harassment; helped maintain the PRI majority for so many decades.
<<The Institutional Revolutionary Party (Spanish: Partido Revolucionario Institucional or PRI) held power in Mexico for more than 70 years.>>
The PRI governed Mexico for 71 years.
The two wings of the PRI are:
1. an old-fashioned, conservative wing, so-called "dinosaurs"
2. a neoliberal, technocrat wing
Inner-party democratization process:
first wave: mid-eighties under Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas Solórzanos, finally, towards the presidential election in 1988, he and many of his supporters split up to form the roots of the PRD
second wave: 1994-2000 (under Ernesto Zedillo Ponce de León). By 2000 the PRI was the only Mexican party to hold up an open preelection to select their presidential candidate.
Overall, Zedillo made great contributions to enhance democracy in Mexico: he weakened the role of the president with constitutional reforms, made the IFE (Instituto Federal Electoral) independent, unconditionally recognized the opposition's victories (first on state level, than on national level in 2000).
<<The economic stability during Vicente Fox, first non-PRI president after the Revolution, is due in great part through the work of PRI-members, such as Francisco Gil Díaz (Secretary of Finance) and Guillermo Ortiz (Banco de México).>>
The original sentence quoted above is flawed for various reasons, including that the ecomic stability during Vicente Fox's tenure was also developed partially through the Zedillo administration's executive power and cooperation, not by ministers under Fox's administration. Fox merely kept previous stabilizing policies and deepened others. Therefore, the sentence will be split into two more historically, academically, and grammatcially correct sentences so as to say: "Greater economic stability since the 1995 peso crises was achieved in great part through economic reforms begun under Zedillo. Subsequent administrations maintained stability with continued assistance from PRI members such as Secretary of Finance Francisco Gil Diaz and Bank of Mexico head Guillermo Ortiz."
- Some academics discuss whether the PRI regime can even be considered totalitarian or authoritarian. (from the first paragraph)
Could someone cite a source for these academics? While I'd agree that PRI rule was not totalitarian, the belief that it wasn't authoritarian would be a fringe view. --metzerly 03:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I corrected the fact Mario Vargas Llosa´s statement was made in 1990 and not in 2000. I was the one to wrote about PRI´s definition as totalitarian or authoritarian. The last point of view it´s supported by people like Soledad Loaeza, Federico Reyes Heroles, Jesús Silva Herzog Junior...all people who had benefits in some way of PRI´s regime. I know by experience it was the worst ("perfect") dictatorship, but that was my personal experience.
Octavio Paz called it a dictatorship also in the original edition of his book "Conjunciones y Disyunciones" (1969) but that was banned in later editions. Posmodern2000
NPOV Tag Removed
The NPOV tag was added by an anonymous editor who didn't sign any comment on this talk page; nor are they any serious POV discussions here. I'm removing it. --01:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Role of Freemasonry
Apart from the fact that Calles himself was an acknowledged Freemason, it would not be a bad idea to describe the role of Masons within the IRP, and how they often used the organization to consolidate their influence within Mexican politics and society. ADM (talk) 08:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I had the idea that this party, despite his socialist roots, was largely seen as a neoliberal, at least centrist party. Socialist and social-democratic means basically the same.22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- The ideology is republicanism and "no re-eleccion" historically combined with agrarianism today with neoliberalism.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
"revolutionary party" = lol
(Spanish: "Partido de la Revolución Mexicana", PRM) whose aim was to establish a democracy of workers and socialism.
"democracy of workers and socialism" makes zero sense. This needs to be edited in order to make it intelligible.
Can someone explain what this sentence means: "Institutionalism in Mexico is a concept that is based in the non-morphological character of consolidated human organizations, having the particular feature of belonging to its determinated legal field and settled as the highest manifestation of social common issues, as well as people use to go in and outside the objective legal field. In its origins, it was determined that institutionalism would be the only way to solve social problems as humans establish their differences and common similarities."? Bookbrad (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- You might find this source interesting. To be sure, many of the details of the massacre remain unclear/disputed. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 01:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Violations of NPOV and UNDUE
Multiple sections (specifically the subsections of "Return of the PRI") are not written in an encyclopedic tone, neutrally, and give undue weight (see WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE). I will tag the article and try to do some clean-up, but I don't feel like getting into a political war here with those trying to push a certain agenda. MX (✉ • ✎) 05:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I do not think, there is undue weight people in Mexico clearly perceive the PRI as a corrupt political party. And many perceive their long extended rule of almost a century, as a dictature. And every scandall is sourced. In fact, I think the article is generous to the party, it could make it look even worse if it were really were better edited.Rosvel92 (talk) 05:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)rosvel92
Is the most corrupted political party in Mexico Yaneth99 (talk) 15:40, 6 January 2018 (UTC) PRI REPRESENTATIVES NEVER TELL PEOPLE IN RURAL AREAS WHAT THEY DO THEY JUST ASK FOR THEIR VOTES AND IN EXCHANGE THEY GET TRASH FOOD ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
"Untrue" clarification needed
There is apparently an issue with the introductory portion of the article as follows:
Throughout its nine-decade existence, the PRI has adopted a very wide array of ideologies (often determined by the President of the Republic in turn). In the 1980s, the party went through reforms that shaped its current incarnation, with policies characterized as centre-right, such as the privatization of State-run companies, closer relations with the Catholic church, and embracing free-market capitalism. At the same time, the left-wing members of the party abandoned the PRI and founded the Party of the Democratic Revolution (Partido de la Revolución Democrática, PRD) in 1989.
Though it is a full member of the Socialist International (along with its rival, the left-wing PRD; Mexico is one of the few nations with two major, competing parties that are part of the same international grouping), the PRI is not considered a social democratic party in the traditional sense.